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State capitalism the extreme opposite of socialism.


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#31 SuperSapien64

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Posted 27 March 2024 - 03:17 PM

@JohnnyBeeGood

 

Quote: The 'elite' seeking their own entitlements,

 

Exactly.

 

 

Quote:  The Biden Party is practicing both socialism and fascism

Can't do both at the same time, Dan ,and that's been pointed out to you many times.

 

Yes you can, socialism is a form of fascism. Why do you think the CCP is genocide the Uyghurs.



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Posted 27 March 2024 - 05:11 PM

Yes you can, socialism is a form of fascism.

 

Nope. Fascism is extreme nationalism with authoritarian rule. The welfare of the nation state comes first.

 

 

Fascism....think Hitler and Mussolini

And now MAGA and Trump

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism

 

Fascism (/ˈfæʃɪzəm/ FASH-iz-əm) is a far-right, authoritarian, ultranationalist political ideology and movement,[1][2][3] characterized by a dictatorial leader, centralized autocracy, militarism, forcible suppression of opposition, belief in a natural social hierarchy, subordination of individual interests for the perceived good of the nation or race, and strong regimentation of society and the economy.

 

Fascism rose to prominence in early 20th-century Europe.[4][5] The first fascist movements emerged in Italy during World War I before spreading to other European countries, most notably Germany.[4] Fascism also had adherents outside of Europe.[6] Opposed to anarchism, democracy, pluralism, liberalism, socialism, and Marxism,[7][8] fascism is placed on the far-right wing within the traditional left–right spectrum.



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Posted 27 March 2024 - 05:37 PM

What about the genocide of the Uyghurs done by the CCP? That's fascism.

 

 

Persecution of Uyghurs in Chinahttps://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Uyghurs_in_China



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Posted 27 March 2024 - 06:01 PM

SuperSapien64,

According to the left they can't be dictatorial or authoritarian while oppressing the dissenters think nazis killing the jews and anyone they thought were a threat while Hitler ruled the military in Germany until his death where it was his way or the highway and the highway resulted in death more than likely. He was also socialist whole he stole gold from jews and other areas he pillaged to melt down and give to others of his choice.

The left can't think critical enough to save their own lives.

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Posted 27 March 2024 - 06:10 PM

It's definitely persecution.

 

And socialist states have been known for abuses like that.

 

Buy if you read the link I posted, socialism and fascism are at opposite ends of the political spectrum.

And one trait doesn't define either extreme.



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Posted 27 March 2024 - 06:11 PM

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Yep its a unfortunate truth that the far left don't want to accept and this coming from a liberal. Shoot I mean most of these far left types consider anyone right Stalin of is a alt right Nazi even though like you said Nazis where liberal like far left liberal.

 

@JohnnyBeeGood

 

Two sides of the same corrupt coin.


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Posted 27 March 2024 - 06:15 PM

@ Dan

He was also socialist

Nope, Hitler was a National Socialist...aka fascist.

 

I've told you many times you aren't good with sophistry, stick to fixing what you know, computers.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism

 

Nazism (/ˈnɑːtsɪzəm, ˈnæt-/ NA(H)T-siz-əm; also Naziism /-si.ɪzəm/),[1] the common name in English for National Socialism (German: Nationalsozialismus, German: [natsi̯oˈnaːlzotsi̯aˌlɪsmʊs] ), is the far-right totalitarian socio-political ideology and practices associated with Adolf Hitler and the Nazi Party



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Posted 27 March 2024 - 06:18 PM

Two sides of the same corrupt coin. 

LOL.

 

Poor analogy.

 

Yes, both achieve their goals through dictatorial rule, but the paths are distinctly different.

 

You've been indoctrinated.



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Posted 27 March 2024 - 06:20 PM

Yep its a unfortunate truth that the far left don't want to accept and this coming from a liberal. Shoot I mean most of these far left types consider anyone right Stalin of is a alt right Nazi even though like you said Nazis where liberal like far left liberal.

 

What? lol.



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Posted 27 March 2024 - 06:23 PM

See SuperSapien64

Johnnybeegood resorts to insults and berating of others when facts go against what he has been told and what he has been taught.

He and many others that think like him are exactly what he projects. He's nothing but a bully that berates anyone tgat goes against him.

He doesn't quite understand that fact that definitions can be changed to spread misinformation and to aide in the re-proframming of others.

And that's exactly what has happened over the last decade or two in the process of achieving division among the population.

Don't like what another person is saying call them racist and project your hatred upon them.

Same has gone on here on this forum against me because I have a differing opinion and they fail at re-educating me like so many democrats wanted to do to conservatives and anyone that thought covid19 was man made and not natural.

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Posted 27 March 2024 - 06:25 PM

@ Dan

 

According to the left they can't be dictatorial or authoritarian while oppressing the dissenters think nazis killing the jews and anyone they thought were a threat while Hitler ruled the military in Germany until his death where it was his way or the highway and the highway resulted in death more than likely. He was also socialist whole he stole gold from jews and other areas he pillaged to melt down and give to others of his choice.

 

Your AI is hallucinating. :grinner:



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Posted 27 March 2024 - 06:41 PM

Johnnybeegood resorts to insults and berating of others when facts go against what he has been told and what he has been taught.

 

And the whining starts.

 

He and many others that think like him are exactly what he projects.

Thank you.

 

He's nothing but a bully that berates anyone tgat goes against him. 

I see you're getting desperate again.

 

He doesn't quite understand that fact that definitions can be changed to spread misinformation and to aide in the re-proframming of others.

Nah...I've watched you alter facts and concepts ever since you argued all humans must die to save the planet and you used a movie clip from the Matrix as evidence.

That was interesting to say the least  :grinner:

 

And that's exactly what has happened over the last decade or two in the process of achieving division among the population.

In your mind and in fascist news media.

 

Don't like what another person is saying call them racist and project your hatred upon them.

And it really bites when I give reasons.....lol.

 

Same has gone on here on this forum against me because I have a differing opinion and they fail at re-educating me...

Well....I'm not here to educate you, Dan.

I'm here in response to your BS. :grinner:

 

MAGA and Trumpism are fascist.

You support them, and the leader of the Russian Federation, whose 'leader' was at one time a Communist, now a fascist in order to rule.

Somethings do change.

 

 

 

 



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Posted 27 March 2024 - 06:42 PM

This why I can't be a Linear thinking in political extremes hurts my brain. And just like the satanic scare of the 80s people pushed back against that because most people fall somewhere in the middle, and the same thing now happening with the far left people are pushing back more and more everyday their sick of be belittled. It doesn't if its from the right or the left :censored:  will eventually get flushed down the drain. B)



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Posted 27 March 2024 - 06:51 PM

I'm right of center conservative with somethings but more liberal with other things.

I have no problem getting payout from a system you paid into like social security and the VA Benefits I have paid into however I have issues giving money to others thst haven't paid into it. For instance take someone's 401k it would be like me demanding money from someone's 401k tgat I haven't paid into. That's what socialism is to me. Robbing from others to give to others that haven't paid into it.

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Posted 27 March 2024 - 06:57 PM

This why I can't be a Linear thinking in political extremes hurts my brain.

 

All I can do for you is present reasonable sources for what entails fascism.

I've done that with Dan in the past.

He rejects because he follows one of them and realizes it marks him badly.

Denial is his way out.

 

Look to the history of both extremes.






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